Εμφάνιση αναρτήσεων με ετικέτα Ισραηλ. Εμφάνιση όλων των αναρτήσεων
Εμφάνιση αναρτήσεων με ετικέτα Ισραηλ. Εμφάνιση όλων των αναρτήσεων

Τετάρτη 13 Ιουνίου 2012

Χίλια ευρώ και αεροπορικό εισιτήριο - Αλλιώς απέλαση

Το Ισραήλ παίρνει αποφασιστικά μέτρα εναντίον των παράνομων

Σύμφωνα με δημοσίευμα της εβραικής Jerusalem Post 8.6.2012 ο Υπ. Εσωτερικών του Ισραήλ πληροφόρησε τους Νοτιο-Σουδανούς μετανάστες ότι έχουν μία εβδομάδα προθεσμία να εγκαταλείψουν τη χώρα εθελοντικώς. ΄Οσοι μετανάστες δέχονται την προσφορά θα πάρουν 1000 ευρώ στο χέρι και ένα αεροπορικό εισιτήριο πληρωμένο από την κυβέρνηση του Ισραήλ για να επιστρέψουν στην πατρίδα τους. Σημειώνεται ότι με το «Νότιο Σουδάν» το Ισραήλ διατηρεί καλές σχέσεις) Αλλοιώς μετά την προθεσμία της μίας εβδομάδας θα συλλαμβάνονται και θα απελαύνονται. Την περασμένη, Πέμπτη γράφει το δημοσίευμα, το περιφερειακό Δικαστήριο της Ιερουσαλήμ απέρριψε αίτηση από ομάδες για τα δικαιώματα των μεταναστών που αντιτίθενται στις απελάσεις.

Ο υπ. Εσωτερικών του Ισραήλ Eli Yishai επαίνεσε την δικαστική απόφαση λέγοντας « είναι το πρώτο βήμα για την απέλαση όλων των λαθραίων (από το Ισραήλ)».

Σύμφωνα με το δημοσίευμα, η διαδικασία θα είναι χρονοβόρα και δύσκολη, υπάρχουν δυσκολίες στην απέλαση των Αφρικανών αυτών το 40% των οποίων προέρχεται από την Ερυθραία όπου τα Ηνωμένα Έθνη υποστηρίζουν ότι απέλασή τους θα θέσει σε κίνδυνο τη ζωή τους και το 30% προέρχεται από το Σουδάν, η οποία είναι εχθρική χώρα.

Σύμφωνα με τον υπ. Εσωτερικών της χώρας και όπως μεταδίδει η Jerusalem Post, υπάρχουν περίπου 35,000 μετανάστες από την Ερυθραία και 15,000 από το Σουδάν. Παραδέχθηκε ότι δεν μπορούν να απελαθούν όλοι, όμως, είπε, μέχρι που όλοι οι μετανάστες φύγουν από το Ισραήλ, θα συνεχίζει να υποστηρίζει την ανέγερση περιφραγμένης πόλης με διευκολύνσεις για την κράτησή τους, ούτως ώστε να μην σκορπιστούν στις πόλεις παντού στο Ισραήλ.

«Αυτός δεν είναι πόλεμος εναντίον των λαθραίων, αλλά πόλεμος για την διατήρηση του Ζιονιστικού και Εβραικού ονείρου στη γή του Ισραήλ».

Ο δε πρωθυπουργός του Ισραήλ Benyamin Netanyahu σε υπουργική σύσκεψη μετά την δικαστική απόφαση, ανακοίνωση ότι παίρνονται μέτρα για να ξεκινήσει η αντίστροφη μέτρηση και το ξεκίνημα για τη λύση του προβλήματος με τους παράνομους μετανάστες.

Η απόφαση της κυβέρνησης του Ισραήλ είναι όπως οι παράνομοι κρατούνται σε συγκεκριμένο μέρος μόλις περάσουν τα σύνορα της χώρας και να μην τους επιτρέπεται η πρόσβαση σε καμία πόλη του Ισραήλ. Και το πρώτο βήμα της πολιτικής αυτής είναι όπως τιμωρούνται οι εργοδότες που δίνουν δουλειά στους μετανάστες αυτούς.

Ο Netanyahu, γράφει το δημοσίευμα, είπε ότι ο υπ. Εσωτερικών ετοιμάζει το υπουργείο του για τις απελάσεις και παράλληλα άλλα υπουργεία θα συνεργαστούν με την Αστυνομία των Συνόρων για να συλληφθούν οι εγκληματίες μεταξύ των μεταναστών στο Τέλ Αβίβ, ενώ ο υπ. Άμυνας θα αρχίσει την ανοικοδόμηση των διευκολύνσεων χωρητικότητας 20,000 Αφρικανών μεταναστών ενόψει της απέλασής τους. Παράλληλα επισπεύδεται το τοίχος στα σύνορα με την Αίγυπτο, το 95% του οποίου αναμένεται να τελειώσει μέχρι τον Οκτώβριο. Μέχρι στιγμής έχουν κτιστεί τα 170 από τα 240 χιλιόμετρα του τοίχους.

Φανούλα Αργυρού - Λονδίνο 10.6.2012

http://geopolitics-gr.blogspot.com/2012/06/blog-post_2757.html

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=273137



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Israel to African immigrants: ‘You’re not welcome here’

Written by: on 28th May 2012
Simon Allison, Daily Maverick, May 28, 2012
Israel: The one country with a Western economy Africans can reach on foot is is telling them they are not welcome,
There’s a problem in Israel, and for once it doesn’t have much to do with Palestine. Instead, right-wing Israelis have found a new target: black African immigrants, otherwise known as the ‘cancer’ that threatens to “destroy our country”.
Tel Aviv is known as Israel’s liberal capital. But it’s not that liberal, though parts of it are wildly left-wing compared to the rest of the country. Thousands of people marched in Tel Aviv demanding that Africans return to Africa, and their views are being echoed at the highest levels. Here you’ll see gay couples walking hand in hand, beaches where no one even attempts modesty and a proliferation of non-kosher restaurants. Strolling along the city’s Red Sea promenade, it’s easy to forget that all those big issues that would define modern Israel: Palestine, Zionism, religion, the Holocaust.
But, perhaps befitting a city that prides itself on its European rather than Middle Eastern feel, Tel Aviv is experiencing a distinctly European phenomenon: A vicious, visceral backlash against immigrants and immigration, aimed squarely at the black Africans who once found refuge in Israel.
On Wednesday, thousands of people attended a rally with a simple message: Immigrants, get out. Haaretz journalist David Sheen reported that demonstrators chanted “The people demand the expulsion of the infiltrators”, “We have come to expunge the darkness”, and “Tel Aviv is for Jews. Sudan is for Sudanese.”
Sudanese immigrants came in for particular abuse. Mostly from southern Sudan, tens of thousands of Sudanese fled to Israel to escape the long and brutal civil war in their own country. But now their place of refuge is turning against them, and against the Eritreans and Ethiopians who together make up the bulk of African immigration into Israel.
Almost inevitably given the potent mix of fear and hate, the demonstration turned violent, and at least 12 black men and women were attacked by the crowd. A grocery store servicing migrants was trashed, and one white, Jewish woman, who bravely disagreed with the demonstration’s sentiments, was told she deserved to be raped.
This kind of response to immigration is not unique to Israel. As Kevin Bloom pointed out in the Daily Maverick on Wednesday, xenophobia and anti-immigrant feeling is rife across Europe, North America and here in South Africa. But Israel, he argues, gets into more trouble because established media tends to view everything Israel does with suspicion. He has a point; the rhetoric about immigrants stealing jobs, bringing down property prices and in general being a drain on society is familiar no matter where the problem arises.
But there is a subtle difference to Israeli complaints about immigrants, one that is enunciated even at government level. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, warned recently that “illegal infiltrators flooding the country” posed an existential threat to Israel itself: “If we don’t stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60,000 could grow to 600,000 and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state,” he said.
Interior minister Eli Yishai, told an audience in April “There is no place in the world as good for foreign workers as the state of Israel”. This comment is not intended positively; he says foreign workers are treated too well, arguing that they should be denied maternity leave and forced to return to their own country to have babies. Because – obviously – foreign babies jeopardise national security. As he explained in a previous comment from 2009, immigrants’ children are “liable to damage the state’s Jewish identity, constitute a demographic threat and increase the danger of assimilation”.
The underlying theme in all this is a fear that Israel’s identity is being diluted and that the country’s Jewishness – the identity that defines the state itself – will be fatally undermined. There are parallels to this in Israel’s relationship with Palestine and Palestinians. A recent court decision denied Israeli Arabs the right to live in Israel with their spouses from the Palestinian territories, with one of the judges describing the consequences of allowing such cross-border cohabitation as akin to “national suicide”.
Israel’s fear of immigrants, be they Palestinian or African, is intrinsically linked to their fears for the future of Israel. In this it’s not unlike apartheid South Africa, where – according to blogger Ben White, who dug up some old headlines – the ‘national suicide’ line about protecting the purity of the governing race was used. Read the National Party’s 1948 statement justifying apartheid: “…either we must follow the course of equality, which must eventually mean national suicide for the white race, or we must take the course of separation”. If this sounds eerily similar to the phrasing used by Israeli politicians today, it’s because both apartheid South Africa and Israel are countries founded on a specific identity – whiteness in South Africa’s case, and Jewishness for Israel. Any threat to this identity through assimilation, integration and dilution is more than just a cultural or social challenge. Instead, it is an attack on the state, which must respond.
Israel’s response so far has been to up the pace and scope of deportations and to begin construction on the world’s largest detention centre for asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. Some politicians would have the country opt for more extreme measures, such as fencing off all its borders and physically preventing people from entering its territory – a measure already in place on the border between Israel and the Palestinian West Bank. But the experience of countries such as the US, Italy, France and Britain shows there is not much anyone can do to stop a determined immigrant, fleeing poverty or conflict for the dream of a better, safer life.
Instead, Israel should probably work on a solution that doesn’t involve trying to dam the flood or turn back the river. As Steven Klein wrote for Haaretz: “The best way forward is to accept our new burden as a reality and learn from the lessons of Europe’s failed detention facility policies. The sad reality is Israel’s leaders are too xenophobic to see that their policy is the true long-term threat to the effort to manage the migrant issue.” DM http://str8talkchronicle.com/?p=23223

Δευτέρα 27 Δεκεμβρίου 2010

«ΑΟΖ με την Κύπρο, τώρα!» - ΚΛΕΙΔΙ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΟΡΙΟΘΕΤΗΣΗ ΤΟ ΚΑΣΤΕΛΟΡΙΖΟ

Ελευθεροτυπία, Δευτέρα 27 Δεκεμβρίου 2010
Η διά μονομερούς δηλώσεως δημιουργία της κυπριακής ΑΟΖ το 2004 από τον πρόεδρο Παπαδόπουλο ήταν πραγματικά ηγετική κίνηση. Αν και η Τουρκία διεμαρτυρήθη, η απόφαση έγινε αμέσως αποδεκτή και από την Ε.Ε. και από τις ΗΠΑ.
Υπενθύμιση: Το Καστελόριζο είναι νησί στο ανατολικότερο άκρο της Ελλάδας και της Ε.Ε. Εχει 430 κατοίκους (απογραφή 2001)... Υπενθύμιση: Το Κασ
τελόριζο είναι νησί στο ανατολικότερο άκρο της Ελλάδας και της Ε.Ε. Εχει 430 κατοίκους (απογραφή 2001)... Επανειλημμένες προσεγγίσεις του όμως προς την ελληνική πλευρά, να οριοθετήσει μαζί με την Κύπρο την ΑΟΖ, έμειναν αναπάντητες. Η πρόσφατη απόφαση της μεγαλονήσου να οριοθετήσει την ΑΟΖ με το Ισραήλ δεν αφήνει πλέον καμία δικαιολογία στην Ελλάδα να μην ασκήσει τα νόμιμα δικαιώματά της.
Εδώ και 30 χρόνια η χώρα μας επιμένει ότι η μοναδική διαφορά με την Τουρκία -η οριοθέτηση της υφαλοκρηπίδας του Αιγαίου- είναι νομικής φύσης. Η έννοια της υφαλοκρηπίδας όμως έχει, εδώ και 25 χρόνια, υπερκεραστεί απ' αυτήν της ΑΟΖ.
Με βάση τα άρθρα 55-57 της νέας Σύμβασης του 1982, ως ΑΟΖ ορίζεται η πέραν και παρακείμενη της αιγιαλίτιδας ζώνης περιοχή σε πλάτος μέχρι 200 ναυτικών μιλίων από τις γραμμές βάσης από τις οποίες μετράται το πλάτος της αιγιαλίτιδας ζώνης και εντός της οποίας το παράκτιο κράτος ασκεί κυριαρχικά δικαιώματα σε θέματα που έχουν σχέση με την εξερεύνηση, εκμετάλλευση, διατήρηση και διαχείριση των φυσικών πηγών, ζώντων ή μη, των υδάτων, του βυθού και του υπεδάφους της θάλασσας.
Επίσης η Σύμβαση αναφέρει ρητά (άρθρο 121, παράγραφος 2) ότι όλα τα νησιά διαθέτουν ΑΟΖ και ότι η ΑΟΖ και η υφαλοκρηπίδα ενός νησιού καθορίζονται με τον ίδιο ακριβώς τρόπο που καθορίζονται και για τις ηπειρωτικές περιοχές. Επομένως, η Τουρκία δεν μπορεί να χρησιμοποιήσει τα ίδια επιχειρήματα για την ΑΟΖ που προβάλλει για την υφαλοκρηπίδα των νησιών του Αιγαίου, ότι, δηλαδή, τα νησιά μας δεν διαθέτουν υφαλοκρηπίδα ή ότι κάθονται πάνω στην υφαλοκρηπίδα της Ανατολίας. Επιπλέον, η νέα Σύμβαση έχει καταργήσει τη γεωλογική έννοια της υφαλοκρηπίδας και έτσι η Τουρκία έχει χάσει άλλο ένα επιχείρημα.
Κλειδί σ' αυτή την οριοθέτηση είναι το Καστελόριζο, νησί το οποίο κατοικείται και, κατά συνέπεια, κανείς δεν μπορεί να αμφισβητήσει ότι και διαθέτει ΑΟΖ και ότι είναι νησί της Ε.Ε. Εάν η Ελλάδα δεχτεί να προχωρήσει σε οριοθέτηση ΑΟΖ με την Αίγυπτο χωρίς τον υπολογισμό του Καστελόριζου, η εμφανής συνέπεια θα είναι η Ελλάδα να μην έχει θαλάσσια σύνορα με την Κύπρο!
Οι τελευταίες μελέτες που έχουν γίνει δείχνουν ότι υπάρχουν μεγάλες ποσότητες φυσικού αερίου και πετρελαίου στο τρίγωνο Καστελόριζου-Κρήτης-Κύπρου. Οι περισσότερες από αυτές τις μελέτες έγιναν από αμερικανικές εταιρείες που προφανώς ειδοποίησαν τους Τούρκους γι' αυτό και, πιθανώς, είναι ζήτημα χρόνου προτού οι τελευταίοι αρχίσουν να προκαλούν την Ελλάδα με έρευνες στην περιοχή.
Τελευταία ακούγονται πολλά γύρω από την παλαιά αμερικανική ιδέα περί συνεκμεταλλεύσεως. Η συνεκμετάλλευση δεν οδηγεί πουθενά, δεν λύνει κανένα πρόβλημα, και γι' αυτό ουδέποτε χρησιμοποιήθηκε από άλλες χωρές που αντιμετώπισαν τα προβλήματα που έχουμε με την Τουρκία. Συνεκμετάλλευση λοιπόν θα είναι τραγικό λάθος με επιπτώσεις και σε άλλους τομείς των διμερών σχέσεων, ανοίγοντας την όρεξη της Τουρκίας και για άλλους οικονομικούς πόρους, όπως την αλιεία.
Εν όψει των ανωτέρω, η Ελλάδα, ακολουθούσα το παράδειγμα άλλων χωρών (π.χ. ΗΠΑ, Ρωσία, οι περισσότερες χώρες της Ε.Ε., Ισραήλ) να διακηρύξει την κυριαρχία της σε ΑΟΖ με βάση τη Σύμβαση του 1982.
Τα ανωτέρω μπορούν να γίνουν με την ψήφιση νόμου που να δημιουργεί ΑΟΖ στις ελληνικές θάλασσες και εν συνεχεία να ανακοινωθεί στον ΟΗΕ. Μετά θα έρθουμε σε διαπραγματεύσεις με την Κύπρο και την Αίγυπτο προς καθορισμό της διαχωριστικής γραμμής.
Βεβαίως, η Τουρκία δεν θα αναγνωρίσει τέτοια κίνηση, όπως έπραξε και πρόσφατα με την Κύπρο. Νομικώς όμως αυτό είναι αδιάφορο. Σ' αυτή την περίπτωση όμως θα πρέπει να της υπενθυμίσουμε ότι η προσχώρησή της στη Σύμβαση του Δικαίου της Θάλασσας είναι μια από τις προϋποθέσεις για την πλήρη ένταξή της στην Ε.Ε.
Βεβαίως, η «χώρα των μηδενικών διαφορών» θα μπορούσε, αγνοώντας το Διεθνές Δίκαιο, να επανέλθει στις παράνομες παραβιάσεις του εναερίου και υδάτινου χώρου μας. Επιθυμεί όμως να καταστρέψει την εικόνα ότι «έχει αλλάξει», που και η ίδια αλλά και οι εν Ελλάδι υποστηρικτές της, εδώ και χρόνια, προσπαθούν να δημιουργήσουν;

* Ο Β. Μαρκεζίνης είναι ακαδημαϊκός και ο Θ. Καρυώτης καθηγητής Πανεπιστημίου

Πέμπτη 10 Ιουνίου 2010

Mouradian: Post-Flotilla Ties Between Turkey and Israel: Irreparable Damage or Just a Hiccup?


Άρθρο του Αρμένιου-Λιβανέζου δημοσιογράφου Χατσίγκ Μουραντιάν. Δημοσιευμένο στο ARMENIAN WEEKLY
http://www.armenianweekly.com/2010/06/03/post-flottila/

By: Khatchig Mouradian


BEIRUT, Lebanon—I have been following with horror the news on the Israeli attack on the flotilla of ships carrying aid to Gaza. The outrage here in Lebanon and the Arab world is palpable. What is even more evident is the pride with which people here speak about Turkey’s “heroic stand” in the face of Israel.


Erdogan: International law has been trampled underfoot
On May 31, the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement in which it protested “in the strongest terms the use of force by the Israeli Defense Forces against the civilians from many countries who want to transport humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza.”

The Turkish Foreign Ministry wrote that “Israel has once again clearly demonstrated that it does not value human lives and peaceful initiatives through targeting innocent civilians…such actions against civilians who are involved only in peaceful activities cannot be accepted. Israel will have to bear the consequences of these actions which constitute a violation of international law.”

In turn, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said, “It should be known that we will not stay silent and unresponsive in the face of this inhuman state terror,” according to Hurriyet Daily News. “International law has been trampled underfoot,” Erdogan added.

Irony alert?
Of course, most Arab commentators said nothing about the irony in the statements above, and the many similar statements coming out of Turkey these days. That is not surprising. After all, Turkey—a strategic ally of Israel—has, in recent years, reached out to the Islamic world and presented itself as a defender of the Palestinian cause. Why rock the boat?

Some intellectuals, however, highlighted the hypocrisy of the Turkish state and of most Turkish commentators. On one online discussion board, Stergios Kaprinis, a psychiatrist from Greece, wrote: “There is no doubt that the events are tragic. The Freedom Flotilla attack by Israeli commandos can only be described as an act of piracy. However, I have been following the reactions of the Turkish government and I must say that I am appalled at their hypocrisy at the expense of the Palestinians. In the past 15 years, the Turkish government has ethnically cleansed large parts of Turkey’s ethnically Kurdish southeast, has invaded Iraq more than a few times, and keeps occupying and colonizing the northern half of the Republic of Cyprus, a sovereign country, member of the UN and the EU. Yet today, the Turkish government has somehow managed to proclaim itself the defender of international law and protector of the oppressed.”

In an article published in the Huffington Post, Israeli writer Dana Agmon, noted: “And finally, a word to the sponsors—Turkey—did anyone float into Turkey when it murdered over a million Armenians? Or did anyone do it when you arrested hundreds of Kurds, including children, merely four years ago and violated their rights? Or maybe when you invaded Cyprus?”

An intellectual from Turkey told me that had the Kurds in Turkey had access to sea, “God knows what kind of horrors would befall on those who tried to support them.” Another noted how the discourse on the Palestinians in Turkey on one hand, and the Armenians and Kurds on the other, are so disparate, even among progressive Turkish intellectuals, that “the double standards sicken me to my stomach. States are, by definition, hypocritical. But when intellectuals who present themselves as the beacons of enlightened thought engage in such hypocrisy, is there any hope left?”

Irreparable damage?
On June 3, Turkish President Abdullah Gul said, “From now on, Turkish-Israeli ties will never be the same. This incident has left an irreparable and deep scar.”

The myth of “irreparable relations” seems to be floating around the entire Islamic world since the attack on the flotilla. Arab news sources and analysts in the Middle East continue to insist that Turkish-Israeli relations have been damaged beyond repair. Regardless of what Turkish officials declare in their public statements, this is naiveté and wishful thinking at best.

What the Arab world fails to see is that the Turkish state cannot and will not bury its strategic relations with Israel because of the flotilla attack or in solidarity with the Palestinian people. Ankara is playing an ambitious political game in the Middle East. Yes, its tactical maneuvers are already reaching beyond the bounds of its strategic capabilities (and it might soon be forced to fold back), but to view the Turkish state—or even the current government—as the extension of the Turkish street is self-deception.

Turkey and Israel will soon repair the damage done to their relations. There’s no two ways about it.

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58 Comments
Karekin
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
How about listening to a Palestinian instead of Israeli propaganda for a change? There are lessons here for Armenians, as well:

I don’t write poems but, in any case, poems are not poems
Ghassan Hage 6/2/10 http://australiansforpalestine.com/
Long ago, I was made to understand that Palestine was not Palestine; I was also informed that Palestinians were not Palestinians; They also explained to me that ethnic cleansing was not ethnic cleansing. And when naive old me saw freedom fighters they patiently showed me that they were not freedom fighters, and that resistance was not resistance. And when, stupidly, I noticed arrogance, oppression and humiliation they benevolently enlightened me so I can see that arrogance was not arrogance, oppression was not oppression, and humiliation was not humiliation. I saw misery, racism, inhumanity and a concentration camp. But they told me that they were experts in misery, racism, inhumanity and concentrations camps and I have to take their word for it: this was not misery, racism, inhumanity and a concentrations camp. Over the years they’ve taught me so many things: invasion was not invasion, occupation was not occupation, colonialism was not colonialism and apartheid was not apartheid… They opened my simple mind to even more complex truths that my poor brain could not on its own compute like: ‘having nuclear weapons’ was not ‘having nuclear weapons’, ‘not having weapons of mass destruction’ was ‘having weapons of mass destruction’. And, democracy (in the Gaza strip) was not democracy. Having second class citizens (in Israel) was democracy. So you’ll excuse me if I am not surprised to learn today that there were more things that I thought were evident that are not: peace activists are not peace activists, piracy is not piracy, the massacre of unarmed people is not the massacre of unarmed people. I have such a limited brain and my ignorance is unlimited. And they’re so f**king intelligent. Really. Ghassan Hage

Krikor
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
Listen, Enver Turk, or whatever cursive name has been given you. Hateful comments against the Turks, you said? Well, if you find them hateful they’re well justified: you stole my ancestral homeland of Western Armenia in 1915-1921 and slaughtered, as barbarians, millions of innocent people, deported them to starve to death in the desert, portray the Armenian artifacts as Turkish, and continue to deny your crime against humanity. Can we be hateful or you expect us to give you hugs and kisses for that? And you dare to give me shame for my rightful indignation over your crime?! What a joke! Racists are those who annihilate the whole race, as your forefathers did, and not those who demand justice for the mass murdered people. There was Greater Armenia l-o-o-o-n-g before your predecessors: nomadic savages of Seljuk and Mongol origin, invaded Asia Minor. Where have the Turks been 3000 years ago, might you know? Armenians don’t have to kill all the Turks in order to return our lands and our civilization, we are not barbarians, like you, to slaughter innocent women, children, and the elders. This is a typically Turkish mentality: ‘you have to kill, KILL, in order to gain something.’ A nomadic, savage mentality in the 21st century. Nothing has changed from the times your hordes of nomads appeared in the region in the 11th-13th centuries AD. Nothing! A land means honor for a Turk? Wow! What a brilliant idea we’re hearing from a Turk. Have you ever thought that a land could also mean honor for those indigenous peoples, like Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians, who inhabited it for millennia? Or you see things only through your narrow-minded Turkish perspective?


teyleirian s
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
Yes, Murat, I know that ‘a blockade means something different than closing borders.’ I gave you an internationally-accepted definition of the blockade in my older post, which the Turkish blockade of Armenia obviously falls under.

So you think that blockading a third country ‘in response to the brutal invasion of Karabakh, lands of a close ally, was a rather mild and proportional response?’ Wow! Look who’s talking! A representative of a nation-state internationally known as brutal ethnic cleanser of indigenous peoples—Assyrians, Greeks, Armenians, Alawis, Kurds—of Asia Minor. A representative of a nation that brutally occupied a sovereign UN member-state of Cyprus in 1974 and established TRNC in contradiction of the terms of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee.

Let me clarify some things for you. Armenia did not invade Artsakh (Karabakh). The overwhelming majority of Christian Armenians inhabiting Artsakh for centuries, a region that was unjustly and illegally placed under Azerbaijan’s jurisdiction by unilateral decision of Stalin in the 1920s, voted to exercise the universally-accepted right of the people for self-determination. It is essentially a conflict between Artsakh and Azerbaijan as it responded to Armenians’ petition by constant shelling and slaughters of Armenian residents in Sumgait and Baku. Where do you see Turkey in this conflict, may I ask? What does relationship between other nations have to do with Turkey so it imposed blockade of Armenia? Has Cyprus been a historically Turkish territory? Has it been populated by majority Turks at the time of invasion? Has it been transformed from Turkey to, say, Greece by an illegal decision? Your juxtaposition of a self-determination struggle, as in Artsakh, and an explicit application of military invasive Turkish force, as in Cyprus, would amuse erudites and intellectuals. Do you know that the UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution 3314 (XXIX) with the Definition of Aggression annexed to it, following the Turkish invasion of Cyprus? No? Adopted on 14 December 1974, the Definition reads as follows: ‘Invasion of a State by the armed forces of another State, with or without occupation of the territory.’ The issue of self-determination was singled out in the resolution as a different case in a clause in article 7 of the said resolution. A territory of a sovereign state of Cyprus must be 100% and not 60% in the Greek Cypriots’ hands. It’s THEIR country. Whether they live rather nice lives thanks to whatever is THEIR business. Whether the same can or cannot be said of Turkish residents or whether they are isolated or not, doesn’t matter: Turks are not the native inhabitants of Cyprus, they’re invaders.

Turkey is applying a blockade of Armenia regardless whether Armenia has control over its borders and airspace, because blockade, I repeat it for you once again, is ‘isolation of a nation, area, city, or harbor by hostile ships or forces in order to prevent the entrance and exit of traffic and commerce.’ This is exactly what Turkey does: it prevents the entrance and exit of traffic and commerce. Shall I repeat the international norm again or you understood from the second attempt?

I don’t have to preoccupy my mind with what would or wouldn’t happen to Iraq when it entered Kuwait or imagine what the U.S. response would be if a part of Israel were to be run over by one of its enemies. Relationship between the third states should not bother Armenia, just as the relationship between the third states should not bother Turkey.

As for Kurds, are you reading reports by a multitude of human rights organizations and advocacy groups regarding brutal suppression and mass murdering of Kurds in Turkey or you live on the moon? Had Kurds not been blockaded and deprived by the Turks, why does your government attempt to suppress their struggle for liberation, captured Ocalan, emptied their residential areas in the south and south-east, and qualify them not as Kurds but as ‘Mountain Turks’? Why do you commit these acts if the Kurds live unblockaded, unsuppressed, and privileged? Might you know?

Armen
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
An article by Dov Fischer posted on FrontPage magazine reads as follows:

Flotilla “supported financially by Hamas and peopled primarily by their Turkish allies” intended to transport 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid, while Israel supplies Gaza with 15, 000 tons of food and humanitarian aid every week,In the context of Turkey’s indignation with blockade of Gaza the author proposes to have a look at Turkey’s attitude towards Armenians, Christians and Kurds. “Does her treatment of religious and ethnic minorities model Western humanitarian values?” Fischer wonders.
Turkey has refused to recognize the Genocide perpetrated against Armenians in the beginning of the 20th century, he notes. Ankara did not apologize or even acknowledged it. Israel regretted publicly for killings of Turkish citizens in attack on humanitarian ships, though “Turkey still denies the Armenian Genocide ever happened.”
As regards Kurds, they do not have a right to give their children Kurdish names. The Turkish government restricts educational efforts of ethnic minorities, including Greeks and Armenians.

gayane
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
WOW.. WOW.. WOW.. that is all i can say after I read Turks’ replies…

my idea of putting likes of Murat, Enver Pasha, Kurt on a big ship and sending them away sounds better and better…

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Karekin
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
Please don’t be so quick to embrace Dov Fisher’s comments, people….or that the Israelis/Jews are using the genocide to serve their own purposes at this moment. If you can’t realize that you’re being used, only to be thrown away once they are done, then think again.

Armen
June 7, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
Noone ‘embraces’ Dov Fisher’s or anyone else’s comments. Just posting them. In politics, everyone’s using someone else or some other issue to serve their own purposes. No action is needed in this stand-off. Just observance.

Karekin
June 8, 2010 | Permalink | Reply
We do not need this kind of ‘help’…

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899835,00.html

Δευτέρα 7 Ιουνίου 2010

Suspicion growing about possible link between PKK and Israel

Τους ζώσανε τους Τούρκους τα φίδια τώρα! Σκέφτονται πως η ΤΑΥΤΟΧΡΟΝΗ επίθεση των Ισραηλινών κομάντο στο Τουρκικό κρουαζερόπλοιο καί η επίθεση των Κούρδων αυτονομιστών εναντίον Τουρκικής ναυτικής Βάσης στην Αλεξανδρέτα, όπου με ρουκέτα σκοτώθηκαν έξι Τούρκοι στρατιώτες, ίσως να μην ήταν και τόσο τυχαία...

Άρθρο του Τούρκου δημοσιογράφου Ερτζάν Γιαβούζ από την Άγκυρα, παρμένο από την Αρμενική εφημερίδα ΑΡΤΣΑΚΑΝΚ, που εκδίδεται στην Κύπρο.

June 06, 2010

http://www.artsakank.com.cy/en/news/general/2010/suspicion-growing-about-possible-link-between-pkk-

Suspicion growing about possible link between PKK and Israel

Amid the growing outrage over an Israeli attack on civilian ships in international waters that killed nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists and wounded dozens last week, there is deepening suspicion about the possible Israeli involvement in the killing of seven soldiers in a terrorist rocket attack on a naval base in İskenderun, in the southern province of Hatay.

Turkish intelligence organizations are looking into possible connections between the two incidents that occurred on the same day only hours apart. The terrorist act was carried out by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), an outlawed organization that has been listed as terrorist group both in Turkey and in much of the international community. Analysts claim Israeli secret services may have contracted the job to the PKK to send a message to the Turkish government.

Sedat Laçiner, head of the Ankara-based International Strategic Research Organization (USAK), told Sunday's Zaman that there are some groups in Israel actively working with the PKK using its Iranian wing, the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK), which has been waging a war in western Iran. He said the link is more than a simple conspiracy theory, it's a substantiated one as some members of Mossad and retired Israeli military officers were spotted training Kurdish fighters in the northern Iraqi Kurdish region.

The fact that an attack on Turkish soldiers came on the same day Israeli soldiers attacked a humanitarian aid convoy in international waters led by a Turkish ship raised suspicions that Israel may be involved with the PKK. The fact that the Kurdish terrorist group, based in northern Iraq, announced on June 1 that they had ended their unilateral cease-fire with Turkey has reinforced the theory that Israel is somehow linked with the PKK.

While speaking to reporters last week in Ankara, Interior Minister Beşir Atalay emphasized that they have been investigating both attacks extensively. "We have been working hard, especially to ascertain what happened in the İskenderun incident," he said, signaling that the government is also looking into alleged connections. Last year Atalay remarked at a party convention that he was deeply offended by the news that the Israeli army trained troops in northern Iraq.

Remarks by some Turkish politicians have also fueled speculation of a possible Israeli link with the PKK. "We don't think the incident [İskenderun attack] was coincidental," Justice and Development Party (AK Party) Deputy Chairman Hüseyin Çelik said, speaking to reporters at AK Party headquarters in Ankara on Monday.

"As the AK Party, we strongly condemn the incidents. Israel has torn down Gaza. They do not even let construction materials in. This will be a black mark on the history of humanity. An attack was carried out on our military unit in İskenderun. We condemn this, too. We do not think it is a coincidence that these two attacks took place at the same time," Çelik said.

The newly elected chairman of the Republican People's Party (CHP), Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, also said the similarity between the incidents was significant. Speaking at a press conference held at party headquarters on Monday, Kılıçdaroğlu recalled that some circles are concerned about whether the İskenderun attack is related to Israel. "We feel deeply sorry about the incident in İskenderun. We must pay attention to the killings of the seven soldiers. At a time when the Israeli army continues military operations, it is significant that such an incident took place in Turkey," he said.

Felicity Party (SP) leader Numan Kurtulmuş reacted harshly during a press conference held at the İstanbul branch of the party. While pointing out the timing of both incidents, Kurtulmuş said he hoped the attacks were not related to each other. "Our soldiers were attacked in Turkey. I hope it was a coincidence that Israel began to attack the ship after a brutal attack on a Turkish Naval Forces base in İskenderun. May God bless the souls of those martyrs who died in this vicious attack," he said.

Laçiner goes further in saying that major terrorist incidents by the PKK that have taken place in big cities bear the footprint of Israel. "These terrorist were trained by Israeli intelligence officers on how to best penetrate cities," he said, stressing that the Israeli government is not comfortable with the ruling AK Party in Turkey. "They want to portray the Turkish government as very much like the radical Hamas organization in the eyes of world public opinion. The PKK is a mere contractor for Israel to serve that purpose," he explained.

In an article that appeared in The New Yorker in 2006, US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh wrote that Israel and the US have been "working together in support of a Kurdish resistance group known as the Party for Free Life in Kurdistan." Then, quoting a government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon's civilian leadership, Hersh asserted that this was "part of an effort to explore alternative means of applying pressure on Iran."

Hersh, a Pulitzer Prize winner, wrote two years later in another article that the CIA and the US Special Operations communities also have long-standing ties to two dissident groups in Iran: the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK) and the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan (PJAK), a Kurdish separatist group.

"The Kurdish party, PJAK, which has also been reported to be covertly supported by the United States, has been operating against Iran from bases in northern Iraq for at least three years," he wrote. In the 2008 article, Hersh said that "PJAK has also subjected Turkey, a member of NATO, to repeated terrorist attacks, and reports of American support for the group have been a source of friction between the two governments."

Nurullah Aydın, an instructor at Gazi University, claims Israel not only provides training to troops for the Kurdish regional administration but also aids and abets PKK terrorists. "The deposition given by captured terrorists and ammunition seized during raids into terror camps indicate that Israeli army officers have provided training and arms to PKK," he said, alleging that the governments in Turkey kept this information secret from the public.

06 June 2010, Sunday
ERCAN YAVUZ, ANKARA